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in libya is that you know very strong anti american sentiment that remains not just in libya but there i say across the muslim world and although the arab spring did a lot to perhaps strengthen the relationship between the west and indeed the muslim world there is still an awful lot of suspicion and indeed distrust as to the role of america in the middle east and north africa and let's not forget that this is also due to because of the the west's use keenly of violence itself to justify its own political and you know it's become routine no you hear about the drone strikes taking out alleged terrorists all indeed interventions taking sides into civil war effectively as was the case in libya to bring about regime change in a country like libya and that a kind of interventionism still triggers and very strong and the american sense of you know mohamed you said you knew a lot about syria and so would you like to see nato intervention in syria in light of what's happened in libya i would say so i would say i would say that people in there are not really asking for the people are in syria ar
in libya is that you know very strong anti american sentiment that remains not just in libya but there i say across the muslim world and although the arab spring did a lot to perhaps strengthen the relationship between the west and indeed the muslim world there is still an awful lot of suspicion and indeed distrust as to the role of america in the middle east and north africa and let's not forget that this is also due to because of the the west's use keenly of violence itself to justify its own...
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lowing welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle libya intervention like in the specter of civil war libya's transition away from the khadafi regime is proving far more problematic than nato planners had ever anticipated central civilian control is an illusion and tribal loyalty is strong it would appear it is a lot easier to take down a regime than to establish a new order. to cross not libya i'm joined by dr venter while in hanover he is an associate professor of government at dartmouth college in paris we cross to the end of jonestown she is an independent political commentator and author of fool's crusade yugoslavia nato and western delusions and in london we have nick mayo he is a foreign correspondent for the sunday telegraph all right folks this is crossfire that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it and i'd like to first go to diana diana is the the intervention that we saw nato undergo was it an intervention without responsibility because libya is a mess and it's getting messier all the time it particularly in light of the last few hours a day or so of
lowing welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle libya intervention like in the specter of civil war libya's transition away from the khadafi regime is proving far more problematic than nato planners had ever anticipated central civilian control is an illusion and tribal loyalty is strong it would appear it is a lot easier to take down a regime than to establish a new order. to cross not libya i'm joined by dr venter while in hanover he is an associate professor of government at dartmouth college...
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you're talking about libya and egypt? >> libya. just libya. do we know -- just libya. do we know if the group that launched the grenade actually coordinated with the protesters or the protesters were aware or talking with the other group, the grenade group, in this attack that happened in libya in the consulate there? >> we do not know that, but at this stage it does appear that there was this core and, remember, what secretary of state hillary clinton said this morning. a small and vicious group, which was carrying out this attack, so, again, not totally confirmed, but it would appear that there is a demonstration going on, and then this core uses that and attacks. >> is the state department, is the secretary -- are they close at all to identifying who that group might have been? is there an investigation that is taking place with libyan authorities to find out who did this? >> oh, they are definitely starting that. the fbi will be involved, but at this point it's very early, and nobody is definitively saying who did that. >> all right. jill, thank you very much. very
you're talking about libya and egypt? >> libya. just libya. do we know -- just libya. do we know if the group that launched the grenade actually coordinated with the protesters or the protesters were aware or talking with the other group, the grenade group, in this attack that happened in libya in the consulate there? >> we do not know that, but at this stage it does appear that there was this core and, remember, what secretary of state hillary clinton said this morning. a small and...
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and then he left libya. he went back at the height of the fighting, he was with the rebels in benghazi. before there was sort of an official consulate and establishment there. and that obviously prior to being appointed as ambassador. he knew benghazi. he knew the rebels in benghazi. he felt very comfortable there. this is not your typical sort of starched white shirt ambassador. this was a guy who was a real professional. who rolled his sleeves up, who wanted to help the libyans get the freedom that they have fought for. and so, it's an extraordinary loss not only for the state department, and obviously chris' family, but for the country. my only experience there has been libya was in a very fragile security situation and really needs the attention and support of the international community. and so, look, unfortunately, it will now get the attention it needed before this tragedy. it will get it now, because of this. >> right, fran, by all accounts chris stevens was a very special man with a very special aff
and then he left libya. he went back at the height of the fighting, he was with the rebels in benghazi. before there was sort of an official consulate and establishment there. and that obviously prior to being appointed as ambassador. he knew benghazi. he knew the rebels in benghazi. he felt very comfortable there. this is not your typical sort of starched white shirt ambassador. this was a guy who was a real professional. who rolled his sleeves up, who wanted to help the libyans get the...
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happened in libya or strengthened the other way. well i think libya was an unusual case it's hard to see how rights protect can be applied to somewhere like syria for example you really read my mind you read my mind exactly ok. but i think i think its use in libya was was very successful this wasn't regime change it was a revolution and spend in solar and whatever they were there with the new energy star the reformation the clean with no injuries each agency and when it did witness been regime change and also if there had a little nato bombs in there would not have been a regime change without nato bombs are obvious well i think you're probably right emotionally and so it's clear you're going to go on it was very clear from what was said beside what was said selfishly it was very clear that the countries involved including the united states welcomed regime change if you look at the interviews that president obama secretary clinton and so on secretary gates at the time gave it was very clear from the beginning that in a sense the coa
happened in libya or strengthened the other way. well i think libya was an unusual case it's hard to see how rights protect can be applied to somewhere like syria for example you really read my mind you read my mind exactly ok. but i think i think its use in libya was was very successful this wasn't regime change it was a revolution and spend in solar and whatever they were there with the new energy star the reformation the clean with no injuries each agency and when it did witness been regime...
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back to libya. i want to get back to libya, because he loved the country so much. really one of the most popular guys. really, as you can see from those pictures there, a good-looking guy. really popular with the ladies at the state department. everyone really liked him a lot. he was just seen as a really nice guy. no agenda. no ego. just wanted to get at the important work of the u.s. government in libya and around the world. >> we know he was in benghazi at the u.s. consulate there. we know there are three other people who were killed with him, probably state department people according to one of our sources. but we're still waiting for state department confirmation. when can we expect that? >> i think it's going to be comi in the next few hours. even sources that i call regularly and are really good about picking up the phone, everybody right now is hunkering down, in meetings. they've been up all night, because we were working on -- they were working on the embassy issue in cairo, and also tryin
back to libya. i want to get back to libya, because he loved the country so much. really one of the most popular guys. really, as you can see from those pictures there, a good-looking guy. really popular with the ladies at the state department. everyone really liked him a lot. he was just seen as a really nice guy. no agenda. no ego. just wanted to get at the important work of the u.s. government in libya and around the world. >> we know he was in benghazi at the u.s. consulate there. we...
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what took place and libya with only one exception. russia so far has prevented nato from having its way of having no fly zones buffer zones and all kinds of zones that infringe on the sovereignty of syria which at the same time help materialize nato political objectives and syria which is to turn that place until april western regime and let me add one thing and just to comment on your previous report on libya that the object of these stabilize the institutions of any sun close state and this is what we have seen and somalia and libya and iraq going to the country even socially so the there won't be any more any son pro-government that is able to fend off and protect the sovereignty of the country and that's what they're doing in syria right now what you are seeing on the streets in syria is the result of intervention both from nato and from. states that there are put dollars at work and there are smuggling rings that are helping bring in the cash the weapons and even some of the insurgents from outside syria into syria to create this
what took place and libya with only one exception. russia so far has prevented nato from having its way of having no fly zones buffer zones and all kinds of zones that infringe on the sovereignty of syria which at the same time help materialize nato political objectives and syria which is to turn that place until april western regime and let me add one thing and just to comment on your previous report on libya that the object of these stabilize the institutions of any sun close state and this...
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the attack in benghazi, libya. what more are we learning about the attacks and the measures the state department is trying to take to ensure the safety of its personnel left in benghazi, tripoli, and elsewhere? >> you have a couple of things, anderson. what they're trying to do is make sure the security of the people who are left, and that's only in tripoli, not in benghazi, is assured, so they're sending some marines. it's kind of like a quick reaction for us to the embassy in tripoli to beef that up. they're also notifying troops around the world that potentially they could be used in various ways to ensure the security of american personnel and then, of course, as you mentioned, you've got the destroyers. this would be the destroyers and the drones would be used more, let's say, if the president determined that it was a time to strike against whoever was the group that carried out this attack. >> and we'll have a look back at the life of the ambassador, a remarkable career. and we're also going to talk to senato
the attack in benghazi, libya. what more are we learning about the attacks and the measures the state department is trying to take to ensure the safety of its personnel left in benghazi, tripoli, and elsewhere? >> you have a couple of things, anderson. what they're trying to do is make sure the security of the people who are left, and that's only in tripoli, not in benghazi, is assured, so they're sending some marines. it's kind of like a quick reaction for us to the embassy in tripoli to...
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he was an expert on libya. after the war, he was appointed as the representative to the opposition, which was a great distinction and he worked very hard and tirelessly in that role, both coordinating the response to the humanitarian crisis and serving as liaison to the opposition figures. he was a critical person for the administration in working through the problems in libya. it's a huge loss and it's not only a loss in terms of a great diplomat, but someone who was really important to the past and future of libya. >> elyse, what was he like personally? he, his family, the choices he made to go overseas? >> well, he was what you call this stage, a classic arabist. really loved the middle eastern region. really loved libya in particular and was really interested in helping this country build anew, but as one colleague put it today, he was just a very laid back guy. had this incredibly cool kind of northern california exterior, but inside, had this kind of burning desire to get it right. it's not that he wasn't
he was an expert on libya. after the war, he was appointed as the representative to the opposition, which was a great distinction and he worked very hard and tirelessly in that role, both coordinating the response to the humanitarian crisis and serving as liaison to the opposition figures. he was a critical person for the administration in working through the problems in libya. it's a huge loss and it's not only a loss in terms of a great diplomat, but someone who was really important to the...
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the deputy leader of libya's ruling national transitional council says he's stepping down after series of protests against the country's new rulers saturday crowd stormed the council's headquarters in benghazi angry at the slow pace of democratic reform and demanding the government's resignation protesters threw stones and metal bars at the building in the first acts of violence against libya's interim leaders demonstrators have been rallying for weeks in benghazi the epicenter of last year's revolution against the khadafi regime the leadership of lacking transparency and want to know how libya's assets are being spent for more and where the country is headed i'm joined by some kind of spokesman for the british civilians for peace in libya. thanks for your time so we see that the first n.p.c. official are leaving moving his post after the latest protests are we going to see others give up as well and quit on demand by the people what do you think. absolutely i think so i think in his afterlife marma good off he is having the last laugh in relation to nato and the and the n t c i mean t
the deputy leader of libya's ruling national transitional council says he's stepping down after series of protests against the country's new rulers saturday crowd stormed the council's headquarters in benghazi angry at the slow pace of democratic reform and demanding the government's resignation protesters threw stones and metal bars at the building in the first acts of violence against libya's interim leaders demonstrators have been rallying for weeks in benghazi the epicenter of last year's...
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dollars to pay ten thousand dollars a year or more for every man woman and child in libya and in libya remains an economic disaster people are suffering there are as you say as you said all this money all this oil money that is coming back into libya where where is it going that's the need that's the hundred dollar question when the some questions about this little transparency more words it may be that like the cases like jury were the worst of all computers and little you just wouldn't have it wasn't the perils of the ships and i think it may be going to. the right to repay that what the intestine industry will be able to enable the libyan people are getting is the libyan medical system or education system. before this war logs it's pretty much a disaster so on i think we. also you see this travel violence breaking or between the people there and i think all this interesting scenarios that are very very well respected just moments ago just moments ago you raise an issue about a tribal rival tribal factions i think a few minutes ago you were alluding to perhaps how iraq was before bef
dollars to pay ten thousand dollars a year or more for every man woman and child in libya and in libya remains an economic disaster people are suffering there are as you say as you said all this money all this oil money that is coming back into libya where where is it going that's the need that's the hundred dollar question when the some questions about this little transparency more words it may be that like the cases like jury were the worst of all computers and little you just wouldn't have...
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should handle libya over all. romney asked on his position on libya last april at an event held by sheldon adelson. he said, quote after his speech romney refused to take questions from reporters about his position on libya. instead, he and his wife, ann fled down a hallway and escaped up an escalator to avoid any answers questions about libya. after his saber rattling today even some republicans suggested that mitt romney was actually better off not saying anything at all especially after last night's events. here's conservative columnist peggy noonan on fox news. >> i don't feel that mr. romney has been doing himself any favors, say, in the past few hours perhaps since last night. sometimes when things happen, cool words or no words is the way to go. >> jennifer: honestly, he probably should have just run down the hall and escaped up an escalator. the kind of rhetoric he has put out in the middle of the crisis is not just inept, it is dangerous. now, romney does have some defenders. sarah palin, donald rumsfeld,
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respected and guaranteed in the new libya. as i explained in the 19th session of the human rights council in geneva, less than a week ago, several concrete steps towards ensuring that the human rights of all libyans have already been taken, while these rights have been and will be investigated, in this regard, we have formed an inner ministerial committee shared by the minister of justice and with membership of the men industry inistry of civil society. libyans fought for justice and the rule of law and it is this government's mission to lay their found occasions. we have a diversity of people in libya, but our differences are rooted in the past, not in the future. we believe in equality and equal opportunities for all. we all believe in a libya in which second class citizens or regions have no place. a libya in which all libyans regardless of back ground, gender affiliation, ethnicity, have freedom, equal rights, access to opportunities and a voice in civic affairs. we all believe in a country in which women and youth have a
respected and guaranteed in the new libya. as i explained in the 19th session of the human rights council in geneva, less than a week ago, several concrete steps towards ensuring that the human rights of all libyans have already been taken, while these rights have been and will be investigated, in this regard, we have formed an inner ministerial committee shared by the minister of justice and with membership of the men industry inistry of civil society. libyans fought for justice and the rule...
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and creating the new libya. that is the government private sector and the civil society. civil society is flourishing doing a great job there. we meet with them. very, very well. >> i think we have room rquesti. so let's take three or four. >> thank you. mr. prime minister, thank you for your remarks. my question for you is this -- would you, would you welcome the russian companies back to libya? and will you, will your government, when the contracts end, deals struck under the gadhafi regime. and what will be projects, including those with russian participation, which have been suspd? discuss -- do yoings with the russian government? thank you. >> yes, sir. >> jacques romani, university of maryland, libya scholar. mr. prime minister, your excellency. i have a two-part question, focused on minorities. secretary pra praised building of democracy under your leadership. i know libya faces multiple challenges ahead. could you kindly tell us your government's thinking about including and that which lived in libya for
and creating the new libya. that is the government private sector and the civil society. civil society is flourishing doing a great job there. we meet with them. very, very well. >> i think we have room rquesti. so let's take three or four. >> thank you. mr. prime minister, thank you for your remarks. my question for you is this -- would you, would you welcome the russian companies back to libya? and will you, will your government, when the contracts end, deals struck under the...
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our next guest spent a great deal of time in libya. in fact she just left libya yesterday. joining us on the phone, ann marlow, a visiting fellow from the hudson institute and we'll get to your blog where you revealed questions and concerns about security in the country but you just talked to a friend on the ground there today. what's the reaction inside of libya to this knows of the ambassador being murdered? >> well, my friend who is a grand nephew of libya's former king idris, he is in benghazi. he actually just flew into benghazi from tripoli today and when he called me was at the courthouse square where the revolution had its symbolic beginnings and there is a demonstration right now what he estimated about 150 people carrying signs in both arabic and english attacking the people who killed chris stevens, saying that his help to the country deserved respect, saying that he was a friend of libya and condemning al qaeda. now the interesting thing of course is that it is a very small demonstration. when i was in benghazi last spring, you used to be able to get hundreds an
our next guest spent a great deal of time in libya. in fact she just left libya yesterday. joining us on the phone, ann marlow, a visiting fellow from the hudson institute and we'll get to your blog where you revealed questions and concerns about security in the country but you just talked to a friend on the ground there today. what's the reaction inside of libya to this knows of the ambassador being murdered? >> well, my friend who is a grand nephew of libya's former king idris, he is in...
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aircraft landed in libya. it is expected to take off any time now with the four dead as well as wounded in the benghazi attack. we expect that to happen any time. it is not clear whether they will be brought to the u.s. or brought to another military hospital in route. there are no u.s. personnel left in the consulate in benghazi. a house now being guarded by local libyan release. 50 marines will not be going to the site of the attack in benghazi. they will stay in the capital to protect the embassy. >> in a world where everyone can post on-line to the world, jennifer, we are now faced with this guy in florida, this quote, preacher, unquote, who has a congregation of much less than 40 it is my understanding who put a video on-line apparently really, really disparaging the prophet mohammed and inflaming at least part of the world. that may not be the reason the attack on the ambassador happened but it has contributed. the top u.s. general has called this guy in florida. his name i don't want to use because i do
aircraft landed in libya. it is expected to take off any time now with the four dead as well as wounded in the benghazi attack. we expect that to happen any time. it is not clear whether they will be brought to the u.s. or brought to another military hospital in route. there are no u.s. personnel left in the consulate in benghazi. a house now being guarded by local libyan release. 50 marines will not be going to the site of the attack in benghazi. they will stay in the capital to protect the...
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gadhafi presided over libya from 1969 to 2011. the longest period of rule of any post colonial arab leader.rm during the 42 years, he was bestowed upon himself the title3 of such as guide and brother leader. deprived citizens of basic civil and human rights, while at the same time, he asserted that his people were in control of their own country and destiny. beyond the borders of libya, gaddafi sponsored acts of terrorism. the most notorious was the bombing of pan am flight 103 in december 1988, which claimed the lives of 270 people, including 189 americans. gaddafi succeeded in rehabilitating himself with the west at the turn of the 21st century by making reparations to the families and hoping his mass of weapons of mass deception programs in 2003. during his rule, he raised the let standards of living and life expectancy of his people, using oil revenues that allowed him to avoid the perils of foreign debt. nonetheless, with the arab spring revolutions already underway in neighboring tunisia and egypt, in mid- february 2011, lib
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and now, in libya. and i think what secretary clinton did so well is to distinguish between the pride we all felt at helping libya become free with the chaos that now exists in that country that has enabled this security to be breached and our embassy attacked. >> i mean, clearly something went wrong. the question for you after the break is, did we do something wrong? is there a lapse on our part and our government? is it completely the fault of the libyan government? back right after this. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios [ dog ]you still have to go we found it together.upbeat ] on a walk, walk, walk. love to walk. yeah, we found that wonderful thing. and you smiled. and threw it. and i decided i would never, ever leave it anywhere. because that wonderful, bouncy, roll-around thing... had made you play. and that... had made you smile. [ announcer ] beneful. play. it's good for you. wthe future of our medicare andr electiosocial security. for... man 1:
and now, in libya. and i think what secretary clinton did so well is to distinguish between the pride we all felt at helping libya become free with the chaos that now exists in that country that has enabled this security to be breached and our embassy attacked. >> i mean, clearly something went wrong. the question for you after the break is, did we do something wrong? is there a lapse on our part and our government? is it completely the fault of the libyan government? back right after...
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ambassador to libya were killed in an attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. crowds of protesters setting fire to the building, expressing their anger over a low-budget film that is considered offensive to islam. chris stevens, u.s. ambassador to libya, died in a rocket attack that also killed three security staff members. the last time an ambassador was killed by terrorists was in 1979. in cairo, egypt, protesters scaled the wall of the u.s. embassy and ripped down the american flag. joining me now, author and senior fellow at stanford universi university, fouad ajami. >> this is extremely sad. sometimes words cannot express the absurdity and horror of such things. we've been here before. more than two decades ago the famous episode of writing a book that muslims considered offensive and then people died. protests greeted the publication of the book. an offensive film is met with a deeply offensive and violent attack on the consulate in benghazi. the sadness of it is that ambassador stevens worked long and hard for the liberation of the libyan people from the
ambassador to libya were killed in an attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. crowds of protesters setting fire to the building, expressing their anger over a low-budget film that is considered offensive to islam. chris stevens, u.s. ambassador to libya, died in a rocket attack that also killed three security staff members. the last time an ambassador was killed by terrorists was in 1979. in cairo, egypt, protesters scaled the wall of the u.s. embassy and ripped down the american flag....
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ambassador in libya. but when you talk to ordinary member of the muslim brotherhood, it's a completely different message. >> another one of our courageous journalists. ben, please be careful yourself. >> now to that final journey home for the four americans killed in libya. joining suss robin wright, a joint fellow at the u.s. institute of peace and woodrow wilson center. she was a close personal friend of ambassador stevens. robin, such a sad day for all of us, especially for someone like you who knew him for 20 years. listen to the secretary of state at the memorial service today. >> people loved to work with chris. and as he rose through the ranks, they loved to work for chris. he was known not only for his courage but for his smile, goofy but contagious, for his sense of fun and that california cool. >> you knew him for about 20 years. you were at his swearing in ceremony when he became the ambassador. talk a little bit about how this has impacted you. i know even last week you were in touch with him
ambassador in libya. but when you talk to ordinary member of the muslim brotherhood, it's a completely different message. >> another one of our courageous journalists. ben, please be careful yourself. >> now to that final journey home for the four americans killed in libya. joining suss robin wright, a joint fellow at the u.s. institute of peace and woodrow wilson center. she was a close personal friend of ambassador stevens. robin, such a sad day for all of us, especially for...
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so i have for you on the program a new showdown looms in libya. the women's rights movement rally and mobilize a nationwide as a libya's interim leader is desperate for support pander to powerful islamic factions. and iran nuclear talks are due for a fresh round trip but while the iraq obama hopes they will drown out his saber rattling senators israel still looks poised to strike. representing the british people in parliament can be thirsty work and it seems some m.p.'s are enjoying the perks of the commons a bit too much with a late night brawl just one of a number of alcohol induced episodes our london correspondent laura smith looks at why the word order is more likely to be heard in the bar than in the chamber. actually yes. this behavior by members of parliament now not an uncommon sight on our t.v.'s ever since the late eighty's when cameras were allowed inside but are they trying on power all simply truck we have heard about stories of very physically carried through the voting lobbies which. would have i mean any other. joke where you coul
so i have for you on the program a new showdown looms in libya. the women's rights movement rally and mobilize a nationwide as a libya's interim leader is desperate for support pander to powerful islamic factions. and iran nuclear talks are due for a fresh round trip but while the iraq obama hopes they will drown out his saber rattling senators israel still looks poised to strike. representing the british people in parliament can be thirsty work and it seems some m.p.'s are enjoying the perks...
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libya, and fast forward to the arab spring, you know, i think a very important point is libya became a -- sort of, you know, obama -- president obama in 2009 delivered his now famous new beginnings speech which he said he was going to stand with the arab people against tyranny and made a number of strong statements which he was not expected to be call upon so soon, but, you know, at the time, syria was looking, you know, as the sequential arab revolts came into being, there was very few places where the united states had an easy or even a conceivable influence -- edge to come in and do something where the consequences were not dramatic. they were at least, you know, there could be a pos five, you know, of course, egypt, a long-time ally anchor in the middle east, supportive of israel, and tunisia was a little bit, but, by that point, already crossed the threshold and ali was out, and syria, the comparisons with libya are quite, you know, very different. it's a multisectarian society with lots and lots of, you know, connections to other powers into which are iran, lebanon, israel, you
libya, and fast forward to the arab spring, you know, i think a very important point is libya became a -- sort of, you know, obama -- president obama in 2009 delivered his now famous new beginnings speech which he said he was going to stand with the arab people against tyranny and made a number of strong statements which he was not expected to be call upon so soon, but, you know, at the time, syria was looking, you know, as the sequential arab revolts came into being, there was very few places...
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now as our western nations hailed libya's election as broadly liberal journalist patrick hayes believes there's little for the libyan people to be celebrating discussion it's right now. as libya continues its long march towards democracy militant rivalry talk session and continued outbreaks of violence opposing major challenges we're joined now by spike magazine journalist patrick case even extensively about libya and about what's been going on historic moments for libya really all we going to see the any concrete changes i think it should have been the story moments i mean what we what we've seen with the elections is the first time the libyan people have been able to express their voice and talk about who they want to be elected for the first time in fifty years since nine hundred sixty five should have been the story the moment it should have been the outcome of the struggle the logical outcome of the arab spring in libya last year unfortunately what we see with these elections is that this struggle for democracy this march towards democracy is here to talk about it has effectively b
now as our western nations hailed libya's election as broadly liberal journalist patrick hayes believes there's little for the libyan people to be celebrating discussion it's right now. as libya continues its long march towards democracy militant rivalry talk session and continued outbreaks of violence opposing major challenges we're joined now by spike magazine journalist patrick case even extensively about libya and about what's been going on historic moments for libya really all we going to...
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that was denied by libya. so the fbi has to pass questions from the state department to the libyan government. they put the questions and you wait, sort of like a child's game of telephone, for that information to come back before you can follow up. not the ideal way to run an investigation. >> this is amazing information you are hearing from your sources. i want to play something for our viewers from last thursday. secretary clinton said this about this investigation. let's watch. >> we are at the early stages of an fbi investigation. the team from the fbi reached libya earlier this week. >> so she said they reached libya earlier this week. no mention of being on the ground in benghazi. you are saying they haven't been on the ground in benghazi according to your sources here. is she splitting hairs here? >> in fairness to the secretary, it may be she wanted to be coy about where in libya they were for security concerns. that would be understandable. but the fact is it is not clear they have even been inside o
that was denied by libya. so the fbi has to pass questions from the state department to the libyan government. they put the questions and you wait, sort of like a child's game of telephone, for that information to come back before you can follow up. not the ideal way to run an investigation. >> this is amazing information you are hearing from your sources. i want to play something for our viewers from last thursday. secretary clinton said this about this investigation. let's watch....
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ambassador to libya chris stevens. the first american ambassador killed in the line of duty since 1979. raising alarm bells about american outposts all around the globe. >> i've directed my administration to increase the security at diplomatic posts around the world. make no mistake, we will work with the libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people. >> mr. are early signs the attack was planned and the protest outside the consulate related to anti-muslim movie may have been a diversion. senior u.s. official stressed it's early in the investigation, u.s. a probing all leads including the possibility the attack was tied to the 9/11 anniversary. >> it was a coordinated military style commando type raid that had direct fire and indirect fire, military movements involved in it. if this was a well-planned, well targeted event no, doubt about it. >> the president did not take questions. so he was not pressed on whether security was tight enough on the anniversary. or how he specifically plans to
ambassador to libya chris stevens. the first american ambassador killed in the line of duty since 1979. raising alarm bells about american outposts all around the globe. >> i've directed my administration to increase the security at diplomatic posts around the world. make no mistake, we will work with the libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people. >> mr. are early signs the attack was planned and the protest outside the consulate related to...
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libya. track them down, and kill every terrorist involved. >> bill: all right. thanks very much. a reminder the colonel's book a very interesting read. democratic congressman will analyze the murders of the americans last night. dick morris on a bunch of new polling out today. some of it good news for mitt romney. we are coming right back from boston, massach >> bill: continuing now with the lead story, murder of the libyan ambassador to libya. christopher stevens and three other americans in benghazi, libya. joining us from washington louise gutierrez a member of the house intelligence committee. congressman, what say you? number one i'm mourning the death of a wonderful ambassador and three other americans condemning their death at the hands of extremist hands in libya. and and the same token i don't want to take a tragedy in libya and try to make political points out of it look, ambassador stevens was our uni have to the insurgent group before we got rid of colonel can qaddafi. in other w
libya. track them down, and kill every terrorist involved. >> bill: all right. thanks very much. a reminder the colonel's book a very interesting read. democratic congressman will analyze the murders of the americans last night. dick morris on a bunch of new polling out today. some of it good news for mitt romney. we are coming right back from boston, massach >> bill: continuing now with the lead story, murder of the libyan ambassador to libya. christopher stevens and three other...
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i think that what the west wanted was to control to get better access to libya's oil of course if libya wasn't an energy state this invasion would never have taken place and it wasn't in beijing in many ways and certainly the air support was not to be discounted in in changing the outcome of the rebels very clearly there's money pouring in from outside and we're not really sure exactly where it's coming from but when i when i'm guessing such things i try to look at who are the usual suspects i would certainly start with saudi arabia pakistan and so on these are the countries that tend to fund these radical islamist factions and they have energy concerns chio political and religious concerns and ideological affiliations that make libya tempting place to support but you would not ever have any kind of civil conflict in any country if it wasn't it especially a poor country like libya unless you've got money pour in arms pouring in from the outside temporal political cartoonist columnist and author thanks very much indeed for joining us live here and i'll take thank you well still to come o
i think that what the west wanted was to control to get better access to libya's oil of course if libya wasn't an energy state this invasion would never have taken place and it wasn't in beijing in many ways and certainly the air support was not to be discounted in in changing the outcome of the rebels very clearly there's money pouring in from outside and we're not really sure exactly where it's coming from but when i when i'm guessing such things i try to look at who are the usual suspects i...
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embassy in libya, including our u.s. ambassador to libya christopher stevens. i am joined by bret baier live in washington. we heard from governor romney and we await the president, bret. >> three big things here, one is obviously the death of ambassador stevens, well respected in the diplomatic core, and tragic death here with these protestors in firing a rocket-propelled grenade in the consulate in benghazi and three other americans killed there. if you look at the situation in libya, when gaddafi was removed not a single american service member or diplomat was killed in that whole operation and yet four have been lost here. secondly you have the overarching question about the arab spring, and how it is playing out, and how it is not playing out, much like it was sold at the beginning of the talk of the arab spring, when it was going from the beginning and then third is the politics of all of this. you just heard governor romney talking about that original statement from the cairo embassy, essentially saying that they were speaking down, condemning this video
embassy in libya, including our u.s. ambassador to libya christopher stevens. i am joined by bret baier live in washington. we heard from governor romney and we await the president, bret. >> three big things here, one is obviously the death of ambassador stevens, well respected in the diplomatic core, and tragic death here with these protestors in firing a rocket-propelled grenade in the consulate in benghazi and three other americans killed there. if you look at the situation in libya,...
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libya will prove these wrong. we are blessed with many factors in our favor, including our oft cited natural resources. but above all we have pride, we have pride and confidence in the knowledge that we overcame one of the most brutal and dangerous dictatorships of the modern age. over the past year,
libya will prove these wrong. we are blessed with many factors in our favor, including our oft cited natural resources. but above all we have pride, we have pride and confidence in the knowledge that we overcame one of the most brutal and dangerous dictatorships of the modern age. over the past year,
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the two war ships off the coast of libya, back in libya. they are there, equipped with tomahawk missiles, ready to go if enough intelligence is collected, of course, and the president orders an into action. what seems to be emerging in libya is this belief of growing intelligence that some type of al qaeda-related affiliate or sympathizing group was responsible for the attack in benghazi. what you have? unmanned drones flying over eastern libya collecting intelligence. we are told every effort is being made to look at all of the intelligence, intercepts, communications, overhead imagery. see what they can locate, determine who was responsible and then they have these options now in place quite candidly to present to president obama. if there is some type of action, it can be done two ways. it can be done by libyan security forces, perhaps, but now the piece is in place in case the decision is made to move ahead with u.s. military force. >> barbara starr at the pentagon. u.s. war ships off the coast. thank you so much for giving us the lates
the two war ships off the coast of libya, back in libya. they are there, equipped with tomahawk missiles, ready to go if enough intelligence is collected, of course, and the president orders an into action. what seems to be emerging in libya is this belief of growing intelligence that some type of al qaeda-related affiliate or sympathizing group was responsible for the attack in benghazi. what you have? unmanned drones flying over eastern libya collecting intelligence. we are told every effort...
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go back to libya. now he is returning home one last time, shep, having given his life trying to create a better post qaddafi libya. shep? >> shepard: jonathan, thank you. i want you to see these live images coming to us from cairo, egypt. i will let the pictures speak for themselves. our producers have been watching closely over the lastun the air this evening and they have witnessed people throwing rocks and bottles and the like. general unrest. this is outside the american embassy in cairo. we have nothing to indicate that they have tried to penetrate that embassy. of course, security has been beefed up. but as to the murder of our ambassador, jonathan it, is the reporting that he was missing for a long time. and that nobody seemed to know where he was. further, that marines were not there to protect him at the time and that some of the locals actually took him to a hospital. >> yeah, that's right. what we know, shep, the initial attack occurred around 4:00 p.m. eastern. around 5:20 eastern, there wa
go back to libya. now he is returning home one last time, shep, having given his life trying to create a better post qaddafi libya. shep? >> shepard: jonathan, thank you. i want you to see these live images coming to us from cairo, egypt. i will let the pictures speak for themselves. our producers have been watching closely over the lastun the air this evening and they have witnessed people throwing rocks and bottles and the like. general unrest. this is outside the american embassy in...